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Summarise/give vague clues to 10 of your fandoms in one sentence, then see who on your friendslist can guess each fandom.
Many of these are hopelessly obscure, and I could have written ten more. Maybe another time.
1. The only fandom that makes me wish we really did have a Flat Earth. - Discworld. Guessed by![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
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2. Zombies; LOTS of zombies; like, huge amounts of them... also an epic tale about finding your place in the world, but mainly zombies.
3. Giant gay men, crossdressing, tentacle porn, bestiality, giant robots, mad scientists, zombies, alien viruses: it's the fandom that has everything, and most of it is canon. - FFVII, crack in a hat. Guessed byfirefly99
4. But I don't liiiike that canon!...Oh well, you can ignore the bits you don't like, right? - Star Wars. Oh, space you, EU haters. Matthew Stover is so much smarter than you anyway. Guessed byfirefly99
5. A dude, a chick, an old guy and a head voice; they - er - Prince of Persia. Who needs to fight crime when you can fight TIME? ...I'll be over here now.squeemu
6. The witty cynic wittily says a cynical witticism, cynically, and then steals things. - Thief. "Heh! A throne room. How pretentious." Garrett, you lovable bastard. Guessed bysqueemu
7. Despite what you may have heard, this is not Trigun. - Firefly/Serenity. Yeah, apparently Joss stole everything from Trigun. He said so himself. Every scene ever. Guessed bysqueemu
8. ...Yeah, I don't think therapy is going to fix that. - Silent Hill 2, and mainly poor James. Don't worry, the fangirls still love you. Guessed byrionaleonhart
9. Some stuff happens, then some more stuff happens, and then some other stuff happens, and then the world blows up, but nobody likes that one. - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and yes, I would be one of the people who pretends that Mostly Harmless never happened. Guessed byblue_oceandeep
10. It's in a perfectly ordinary school with some perfectly ordinary students and yet it is the crackiest thing I've ever seen in my life. - Azumanga Daioh, prozac for the soul. Guessed bysqueemu
ETA: You know what? Just for fun, here's some more. I should be revising and I need to take my mind off horrible impending exams. Think of them as bonus fandoms.
11. This fandom taught me more about the Cold War than my entire Year 11 Modern History unit. - MGS3. I'm assuming they left out the man covered in bees. Guessed byfirefly99
12. Man, when they say not to touch that button that's labelled 'press this for interdimensional alien invasion', they mean do not touch the button that's labelled 'press this for interdimensional alien invasion'...
13. He doesn't mope, he broods; way too stylish to mope. - Neil Gaiman's Sandman. Well, he has a gigantic gothic castle and dumping rain and a trenchcoat at will - do you have that when you brood? Guessed byblue_oceandeep
14. "CHRIST, IS ANYONE IN THIS DAMN WORLD ACTUALLY ALIVE?" - FFX. Ah, Seymour, how I cheered when I finally killed you properly. Guessed byfirefly99
15. Cyborg zombies. - Hungry City Chronicles. Obviously. Guessed bysqueemu
Summarise/give vague clues to 10 of your fandoms in one sentence, then see who on your friendslist can guess each fandom.
Many of these are hopelessly obscure, and I could have written ten more. Maybe another time.
1. The only fandom that makes me wish we really did have a Flat Earth. - Discworld. Guessed by
rionaleonhart2. Zombies; LOTS of zombies; like, huge amounts of them... also an epic tale about finding your place in the world, but mainly zombies.
3. Giant gay men, crossdressing, tentacle porn, bestiality, giant robots, mad scientists, zombies, alien viruses: it's the fandom that has everything, and most of it is canon. - FFVII, crack in a hat. Guessed by
firefly994. But I don't liiiike that canon!...Oh well, you can ignore the bits you don't like, right? - Star Wars. Oh, space you, EU haters. Matthew Stover is so much smarter than you anyway. Guessed by
firefly995. A dude, a chick, an old guy and a head voice; they - er - Prince of Persia. Who needs to fight crime when you can fight TIME? ...I'll be over here now.
squeemu6. The witty cynic wittily says a cynical witticism, cynically, and then steals things. - Thief. "Heh! A throne room. How pretentious." Garrett, you lovable bastard. Guessed by
squeemu7. Despite what you may have heard, this is not Trigun. - Firefly/Serenity. Yeah, apparently Joss stole everything from Trigun. He said so himself. Every scene ever. Guessed by
squeemu8. ...Yeah, I don't think therapy is going to fix that. - Silent Hill 2, and mainly poor James. Don't worry, the fangirls still love you. Guessed by
rionaleonhart9. Some stuff happens, then some more stuff happens, and then some other stuff happens, and then the world blows up, but nobody likes that one. - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and yes, I would be one of the people who pretends that Mostly Harmless never happened. Guessed by
blue_oceandeep 10. It's in a perfectly ordinary school with some perfectly ordinary students and yet it is the crackiest thing I've ever seen in my life. - Azumanga Daioh, prozac for the soul. Guessed by
squeemuETA: You know what? Just for fun, here's some more. I should be revising and I need to take my mind off horrible impending exams. Think of them as bonus fandoms.
11. This fandom taught me more about the Cold War than my entire Year 11 Modern History unit. - MGS3. I'm assuming they left out the man covered in bees. Guessed by
firefly9912. Man, when they say not to touch that button that's labelled 'press this for interdimensional alien invasion', they mean do not touch the button that's labelled 'press this for interdimensional alien invasion'...
13. He doesn't mope, he broods; way too stylish to mope. - Neil Gaiman's Sandman. Well, he has a gigantic gothic castle and dumping rain and a trenchcoat at will - do you have that when you brood? Guessed by
blue_oceandeep14. "CHRIST, IS ANYONE IN THIS DAMN WORLD ACTUALLY ALIVE?" - FFX. Ah, Seymour, how I cheered when I finally killed you properly. Guessed by
firefly9915. Cyborg zombies. - Hungry City Chronicles. Obviously. Guessed by
squeemu
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Date: 2006-11-11 06:08 am (UTC)I love Sly Cooper. It's one of my top three video games I've played, which I guess doesn't say that much considering I haven't played that many, but still. I love making him jump onto everything, and he has a really hypnotic tail. And the voice acting is really good. (THERE WILL BE MUCH FIRE. AND FLAMES. AND HEAT. Anyway, there's no guarantee I'll actually manage to make it past the quantum training level, so I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.)
Did someone spoil you for Snape and Dumbledore? Because I am sensing waves of bitterness from my spot here across the ocean.
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Date: 2006-11-11 06:21 am (UTC)The tutorial is really really easy, actually, that's why it sucks. It's horribly linear and the only mildly entertaining thing about it is the backstory. (I played some of Sly Cooper 3, once! It was fun! I'd love to buy it, but I'm a penniless er...graduate.)
Oh, I was lucky with the Half-Blood Prince - I snagged it and read it through the day it was released. I just find the meme it spawned hilarious. But people have spoiled me for things I really rather not have been spoiled for, like Serenity. That might be the bitterness.
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Date: 2006-11-11 09:02 pm (UTC)Oh! Yeah, it me forever to get through the training tutorial for MGS (the original) because I was pretty bored by it, although I can't remember if that was mandatory or not. And I kept going, "Okay, so will there actually be all these conveniently placed crevices in the wall? Bad guys get stupider with each passing year." (Another really cool thing with Sly Cooper is that the characters actually get some development throughout the series. The second game is my absolute favourite, though.
I think I might have missed out on the Half-Blood Prince meme. Or it might have just been that I avoided anything that looked like it was Harry Potter related until I read the book. Did it have to do with Snape being evil or still-redeemable? Because I found that whole discussion pretty hilarious.
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Date: 2006-11-11 09:39 pm (UTC)It's like...'Go here. Yes. Walk. Slowly. Done? Now walk here. Pick up that arrow. Put out that torch. This will serve no useful purpose at all. Here is a guard. Sneak past him. Here is the innkeeper. Conk him over the head.' It completely guides all your movements, I guess so you realise what all the controls are. (I know it took me ages to figure out you could zoom with Garrett's mechanical eye, but really! I prefer it when I can work out the controls myself, especially when the game just gives you a pretty level to do it in. Like the original Jak and Daxter.) The actual missions are more like, 'Okay, your objectives are this and this. Off you go! Try not to get spotted!' and from then on you can do what you like. There's usually a few different ways to handle things, which is neat. (Heh, in Thief everyone appareantly thinks with their pens, so they write down all the hiding places of everything ever and what their evils plans are. It amuses me.) THAT REMIDS ME like the creepy stalker person I am, you know heartable random guards? These guys wonder around and mutter about how much their jobs suck. And they whistle! And there's this whole subplot that you get through conversations between two of them that is full of laff. I think in the fanbase there's all this love for one named Benny, who is drunk and adorably dumb. ARGH I SAID I WOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. I'M NOT EVEN IN THE FANBASE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME.
The 'meme' in question is the SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE thing. People would just randomly go around posting it at other people, even when the reply was 'Snake what?' Since pretty much the whole webbernet knows by now, I kind of use it as a gauge for how spoilery a thing is. (I have an icon about that now which sums up my attitude to: "I TRUST SEVERUS SNAPE. Because if Dumbledore was that fucking stupid, we've jumped the shark.")
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Date: 2006-11-11 11:34 pm (UTC)(It's all Garrett's fault! If his voice didn't make women's clothing fall off, I never would have thought of it!) At my graduation, we also had about five students who had deflated beach balls hidden under their robes. During the ceremony, one person at a time would inflate theirs, so the teachers would chase after the first and then the next would go up. It was pretty entertaining, although not very dignified.
(He has a mechanical eye? That's wicked. ARGH I AM NOT GOING TO GET THIS GAME UNTIL SCHOOL IS DONE, OR I WILL NEVER PASS MY CLASSES. I totally know what you mean about figuring the moves out on your own, though.) OH MY GOD, THIEF HAS HEARTABLE RANDOM GUARDS? I HAVE TO BUY IT. NOW. I loved that about MGS3 and Sly Cooper. Oh man. That settles it, even if I don't get it for Christmas I am going to buy it with my own money. I may cave in and buy it before, too. I just can't say no to hearting random guards.
OH. Right! That makes sense. Nobody on my friendslist did that, at least, I'm pretty sure they didn't. It's possible I repressed it. (Man, no kidding. No kidding. I find it pretty interesting, actually, how many people hate the books now because the canon isn't following fanon. I just don't get it.)
Okay, question about Jak and Daxter: is it important to play the first game before I play the second? I started the first one and got to the second area, but got kind of, um, bored. And also dizzy, zooming around in that hovercraft thing all the time. So is there an actual plot to Jak and Daxter that's important and cool?
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Date: 2006-11-12 11:29 am (UTC)(Oh, don't blame him. Everyone blames him. Usually for stuff he didn't do. Then they try to have him assassinated. It kind of annoys him.) Somebody thought it would be hilarious to put glue on the toilet seats on the last day. But it's made up for by the neat Drama party we had. I have a picture of the class, there's like eight of us, in our costumes that's been signed. Eee, it's so sentimental! Even though I look kind of evil. One of us is wearing a fedora. It might not be dignified, but it sure is kickass!
(Yep! Long story behind that. Short version: never trust people with large amounts of money and weird habits who pay you to rob their own mansions.) OH MAN, AND YET MORE DO I BANKRUPT YOU. My favourite exchange in the whole game (apart from the one where you encounter a guy trying to pretend to be Garrett and failing utterly, considering all the wanted posters around) starts like this:
Guard 1: Sure are a lot of 'em.
Guard 2: What?
Guard 1: Zombies.
(I JUST GOT YOUR OTHER POST. MAN, TIMEZONES ARE CRAZY. IT IS EIGHT PM HERE. GO TO BED.)
As to your question...well, it'll certainly help. I really liked the first game, actually (we got it when it came out - it was almost revolutionary. And so pretty). The plot...well...it's pretty sparse. You get a cutscene that advances it slightly every new 'hub' area, and there are a couple twists near the end, but you'll probably see them coming a mile off. The secret ending sucks noodles, but it ties directly into the start of Jak II. Also, it's nice seeing Jak as a sweet, mute, beach kid because he goes all angsty, and makes what happens to him in the other games doubly tragic. I happen to think that last boss fight is awesome, too.
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Date: 2006-11-12 08:32 pm (UTC)(Oh dear. Well, I won't try to assassinate him. I'm not dumb after all, I know how that would end. It'd end with me dead, or at least terribly injured in some way of speaking.) Hah! Glue! Was the glue on the top or the bottom of the seat? Because it would really suck to get glued to a toilet on the last day of school. And that's awesome! I'd ask you what your costume was, but I am paranoid about prying into people's lives on the Internet. (Hint: If you want to tell me, I wouldn't mind hearing!)
Oh, guards. Heart. I have a feeling that even if I somehow hate the game, I will love the guards and will consider my money well spent.
(I WAS PRACTICING STAYING UP LATE SO I CAN PULL AN ALL-NIGHTER TONIGHT. THAT IS POSSIBLY A LIE.)
Jak and Daxter is definitely pretty. Also, keep in mind that when I started playing it, it was immediately after we'd finished either FFVII, the entire Sly Cooper series, or MGS3. Or maybe The Bard's Tale. (Um, and by "we" I mean Baco and I. She came for a visit over the summer. I'm not just crazy and randomly referring to myself as we.) And I had a lot of fun playing the first part, but then I got to the second part and went, "So this is exactly like the first part, but harder? WAH." And Baco, who is much better at gaming than I am, wasn't feeling very well at the time and couldn't play it herself, so.
I think I might actually pick it up again, though, for the times when I really feel like playing a video game but don't have a lot of time. HOORAY! ALSO, WHAT, SECRET ENDING. Do I have to do anything special to get it?
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Date: 2006-11-13 08:01 am (UTC)(As far as I know, the worst he'd do is break into your house and empty it of valuables, which he does to everyone. Or - er - find a horribly ironic way to turn your greatest asset against you, which is pretty bad, now that I think of it. Not that most of them didn't deserve it anyway, because usually they're blaming him to save themselves.) On top of the seat. I never saw it, but I heard about it afterwards, and our teacher had to do some very fancy cleaning to keep us out of trouble. I don't know who did it, but I sort of want to either congratulate or hit them. Maybe both. (My costume was an old stained labcoat with a sheet to make it look wider and sickly blue-white makeup, with black shoes and stocking beneath. I was doing a part from Footfalls by Beckett, an Absurdist play. ABSURDISM IS SO DEPRESSING.)
Good to know. Just, when you're eavesdopping, don't get too close or they'll stop talking to come after you. I think the guy who voices Garrett, Steve Russell, does Benny as well, and about a zillion other little parts. Oddly enough, Garrett is the only one with an American accent.
(DUDE, I'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD. EVERYTHING ENDS UP LOOKING WHITER THAN USUAL. I have a peculiar inability to sleep late, so some days I've been awake for, like, thirty hours in a row. Not pleasant.)
I am one of those people who will insist on finishing it all on my lonesome, all the way through. Jak and Daxter was my original fandom, so I know the locations of every single goddamn one of the power cells AND the Precursor orbs. There's two thouand of those little bastards, all told. AND I CAN FIND THEM ALL. I can finish the whole game 100% in about three hours. This probably makes me a freak.
You have to collect one hundred power cells (there's a hundred and one, actually) and climb to the top of the ending Citadel. They tell you about it after you beat the final boss.
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Date: 2006-11-13 08:51 am (UTC)It sounds a little like MGS as far as the sneaking goes. Man, I loved sneaking around tranquilizing random guards and making them kick each other to wake up. Oh, tranq gun. What would I do without you.
(OH YES. EVERTHING IS GETTING THAT NICE WHITENESS ABOUT IT ALREADY. It's interesting, actually, because I have this inability to fall asleep early. I can usually manage sleeping in, but getting to bed before midnight? Not happening. Which also sucks on school nights, because I prefer to take early classes so I have free afternoons.)
Baco and I would fight over the controller when we were playing Destroy All Humans. Or while playing Sly Cooper and paragliding places. Other than that, I usually let her do things, considering my style of playing involves being very careful and talking to everyone fifty times. I can't decide if letting her play was a good idea or not for Silent Hill 2; on the one hand, it meant I did not shoot everything ever and waste all the bullets; on the other hand, it meant I had absolutely no control over anything and was thus freaking out way more than I probably would have otherwise. I think. Then again, if I'd had the controller, I may have just stood James in a corner and closed my eyes until morning.
...Most of my stories involve Baco because I am a very boring person on my own. Just to warn you.
That is damn impressive. That's a freaking ton of bastards. I have no words, except possibly YOU WIN TEH INTARWEBS. I don't think I have any games I'm that good with, although I do have all of the floor plans memorized for the buildings in Shadowrun. I think my first original fandom is FFVIII, although FFVII is technically the first video game I ever played. (Well, I guess if you really want to get technical, Super Mario Bros. for the Gameboy was the first. Or possibly Tetris.) It's just that with FF7, a friend basically Otacon-ed me the entire way through, so I forgot the entire plot within a month of playing it. ...Or maybe that's just because I spent a month racing Chocobos, I don't know.
/BABBLE
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Date: 2006-11-13 08:56 am (UTC)SHRINKING COMMENT WIDTH, GO!
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Date: 2006-11-14 12:36 pm (UTC)It's not quite like MGS, because in that you actually do have a slight chance of fighting back. If you get spotted in Thief, pretty much your only choices are 'run' and 'die'. It's very slow-paced, all about caution and patience and planning, and you have to pay very careful attention to your surroundings. Thief is also less ridicul- maybe I should say less Japanese than MGS. Erm. The guards assume anyone lying down is dead - I'm not sure if that's just lazy programming or what. It's more like Splinter Cell. Only with Victorian Steam-Punk. And a snarky self-serving bastard protagonist.
I'm a soft-hearted little dweeb in Metal Gear Solid, but I'm also rather clumsy. Can you imagine my reaction upon meeting the Sorrow and seeing all the guards what I had accidentally killed, in one way or another? That tranq gun gets some very heavy use.
(WOW, I'M TIRED. I MEAN REALLY TIRED. I OUGHT TO BE IN BED ALREADY. ARGH GLARE HEADACHE.)
Most of my gaming stories involve me and me alone, so they are even more boring. Sometimes you get my sister too, though. Like the Chest story. Remind me to tell you that one sometime. It is very embarrasing and involves FFX.
Yay! An Intarweb! All those hours of play are now slightly less wasted! It wasn't that hard actually, since the game is kind enough to tell you when you've found all the orbs for one area. ..I want to play Shadowrun. Why does my computer suck. My first game was - whoo. I think it was an ancient space-flight sim my brothers had meddled with, so all the asteroids had 'Imperial Property' written on them, and you blew them up. I was almost afraid to play it, I think. I know for a fact that I was terrified of Descent.
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Date: 2006-11-14 08:23 pm (UTC)I am already way too cautious in games. Either I will be perfectly suited for playing Thief, or it will take me the rest of my life to finish it. I have this odd problem where I forget I can always reload the game if something goes wrong.
Thief is also less ridicul- maybe I should say less Japanese than MGS.
ROFL. So, does this mean no bee bosses? I mean, how can it call itself Victorian steampunk without a bee boss? They could be, like, tiny zeppelin bees or something.
I got spoiled for the Sorrow, except it's probably a good thing I did, because when I got there, there were, like, five guards. And some dogs, I think. But holy crap, what an awesome concept, I nearly died when I heard about it. (Baco has some really hilarious MGS3 stories, one of them including shooting down some of those helicopters. But apparently, in that game, all those helicopter pilots and guards were in the river with awful injuries and different uniforms and OMG FLAIL. I love MGS3's guards so much.)
Tell me the Chest story! I DEMAND SATISFACTION. Also, I've played FFX, so no worries about spoilers.
Yay! An Intarweb!
I hear all the cool kids want one. I played a little more Jak and Daxter last night and I beat that guy that throws the stones in the lava valley. I think his name might have been Klaww? Anyway, it was very amusing because it took me approximately 20-40 tries, because I kept accidentally jumping into the lava. Most of the time it was right at the start, when you jump off the cliff and onto those three stone platforms, so it wasn't very annoying and mostly just hilarious. That is one of the things I really like about the first game, though, is that you get an infinite number of lives. At least, I'm really hoping it's infinite, because I'm using them up at a very fast rate otherwise. THERE IS STILL AN ORB I AM MISSING IN THE SUNKEN CITY PLACE, I CANNOT FIND IT. WAH.
Oh man, and I decided to play a little bit of Shadowrun last night, too, do a few corp runs (that's where you get to break into a corporation and steal things from them), maybe try and find the matchstick man (CERTAINLY NOT BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE EXACT DIALOGUE AS PART OF MY OBSESSING POST) and I ended up squeeing for about a minute just hearing the title screen music. I've maybe been away from the game for a month, I have no reason to have that sort of response. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about with freakish obsessions. (I'm worried that if you ever do play the game you'll just be like, "Okay. And there's something special about this because...?" after my fangirling.)
Oh, man, yeah. My first game probably actually was, like, Pitfall, or Bowling for the Atari, or ...some game involving helicopters. Or Pac-man! I loved Pac-man. I'm a bit scared of all the new versions, though, especially the ones featuring Ms. Pac-man. And oh man, I know what you mean about Descent, it took me approximately five years to be able to play it farther the first, like, three rooms. Screw the levels, I was terrified of that ship hiding behind the corner on the first stage.
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Date: 2006-11-15 04:39 am (UTC)Hah hah, when playing Thief for the first time, I completely forgot that you had to save yourself in PC games. Most console games give you places to do it. So I got up to the second mission, died, accidentally reloaded my brother's game and didn't realise it, and just kept dying and reloading after getting far in the mansion and cursing the game for having no checkpoints. I ar dum. By 'cautious' I mean it's a good idea not to move too fast, unless you are really, really confident there's nothing around to hear you. So, you'd probably be good at it! But don't hesitate when knocking people out, they turn around suprisingly quickly.
There are no bee bosses! No zeppelins either, alas. I love blimps. But you know - I wouldn't put zeppelin bees past the guys who made that game. There's giant rats and fish men. Thief is so anachronistic. There's such a mix of this and that time period, it's very clearly not our world. One very interesting thing I found out was, before they went under, Ion Storm were planning a Thief 4 that would be set in a modern/future version of the City. There'd be a guy named Garrett who'd be a cynical loner thief, but he'd be in a hoodie. I wish I could find the concept sketch for him, but it seems it's gone from the Internet.
Oh man, you were? The first run through I was a bit less careful, so there were about a dozen guards there, and the End's parrot was giving me flashbacks to Emma Emmerich, which...waugh. Don't do that, Kojima. (That must have been horrible. And by horrible I mean AWESOME. So few games invite you to think about just how many people you kill, just to make it easier for yourself.)
The Chest Story! I was playing FFX in the Bikanel Desert, leveling up, and my sister was there talking to me. We were discussing about how weird the various characters' costumes were, I think. I stopped paying attention for a moment because I'd just gotten into a random encounter, and when I realized there was a treasure chest there for me to yoink from, I exclaimed, "Oooh! Chest!"
I don't know how long my sister laughed for, but when she stopped she told me she'd just pointed out that "Lulu's chest kind of... you know..." and my exclamation came right after that. Go me.
His name is Klaww, and it pleases me you know it. SO many people get names wrong and come up with completely bizarre permuations of spelling. And your lives are infinite, otherwise I would have hurled my controller through the screen in the mission right after that one. And then again in Spider Cave. And yet again in the Citadel. HAH HAH, I - er, sympathise. There's nothing quite as annoying as knowing there is one left that you simply can't find. It could be on the slidy bits! Have you searched them thoroughly?
OOH. DIALOGUE ME. I am incredibly curious about this game now, especially with the fics thebaconfat wrote THEY ARE SO AWESOME OH MAN. Slang! That reminds me - all the factions in Thief have their own way of talking. The citizens are pretty much normal, if with some anachronistic speech, like jerk, although they also have the word 'taffer', which I think is a general word for rogue or sneak. One can taff or be a taffing taffer. The Pagans are very - um...I think this poem illustrates it best, as well as being rather neat. And the Hammers all talk like King James Bibles. (Also, I really like the phrase 'slot off'. With enough venom it evens sounds like a real swearword. I want to use it.)
I was afraid of the time limits. I still sort of am, and I don't know why - I'll go completely nuts if a time limit runs out on me.
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Date: 2006-11-15 06:49 am (UTC)OH MAN, that is good to know. It is awful losing your saves, or, um, not having them to begin with. It's the sort of thing that actually causes video game related violence. Forget about desensitization, it's all about the lost saves. And dude! I would love to see that concept sketch for Garrett the Hoodie if you ever find it again.
Well, I basically asked to be spoiled for it. At the time, I thought I was never going to be getting a PS2 and wouldn't get to play the game, so I told Baco to tell me her stories. Although I have to say, there was a lot I wasn't spoiled for -- like HOLY CRAP VOLGIN AND RAIKOV AND THE TORTURE SCENE OMG. And, er, I haven't actually played MGS2 because I have heard it is highly ridicul-- Japanese, although mostly I've stayed away because of Raiden. Which isn't really fair of me, never having actually gotten to know him from the game, but I want Snake, dammit! What was Emma-ish about the parrot? (Also, is MGS2 worth playing?)
I am cracking up at the chest story. That sounds exactly like something I would do and then be teased mercilessly about it. I know I've said all sorts of questionable things while playing video games, although I thankfully can't remember any of them. (Well. I think there may have been something about Bugenhagen's apparatus, but I can't remember anything specific anymore.)
I played a bit more of Jak today, and OH MAN it took me forever to get through that valley area. I know there's at least one orb hidden there, because I've seen it, I just have no idea how to get to it. BUT I WILL FIND A WAY. I've done a bit in the Spider Cavern, but not nearly enough. I kind of enjoy standing one of the yellow eco vents and snipe the insects, though. And I have tried the slidy bits several times, but my problem is that when I finsih, it takes five minutes plus panic at the rising dark eco before I can try again. I guess I'll just have to check more thoroughly.
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Date: 2006-11-15 06:51 am (UTC)You have no idea how happy it makes me to hear you liked her fics and want dialogue. I'm afraid you've just increased the likelihood that I will never stop talking about Shadowrun tenfold. Or a hundredfold, I'm not really sure. But seriously, if I do babble about it too much, please let me know! (Also, I, er, I would like to encourage you to comment. I would normally never ever mention it because it makes me feel guilty and bad for suggesting it, but I know she loves hearing any feedback at all and is much more likely to continue writing if people say nice things and. And, um, I'm terribly sorry, I'm getting rabid fangirl all over you.)
(Also also, it's possible that I, er, actually do use Shadowrun slang when talking. Usually I manage to only use it when talking to Baco, but I do use "fragging" quite a bit. I think the whole "slot off" phrase came from the fact that instead of actual paper/metal money, they have credsticks which they slot to actually exchange money. (The money's called nuyen, by the way.) I HAVE NOT SPENT FAR TOO MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS. But, er, yes, I definitely like how "slot off" actually sounds like a legitimate swear word.) I shall type up some of the dialogue tomorrow!
Other things you should possibly know about Shadowrun so that things make more sense: Hollywood is a prison, not a multibillion dollar entertainment industry. (Well, I'm sure someone gets entertainment out of it, but it's sure not the 'runners.) Puyallup is a region of Seattle that is incredibly rundown and populated only by the worst thugs, and Lone Star, as you can probably tell, is the police force in Seattle. They're technically corporation too and not working for the government, but yeah. I don't even remember where you learn that; it's one of my favourite things about it. How there's tons of information about the universe its set in, but it's all background information and not thrown in your face. It's very good for people who enjoy obsessing about things and looking for clues.
That is an awesome poem! The style of speech kind of reminds me of Gollum, except less creepy. Man! Hearts for slang and games that use it well. (I keep wanting to explore the rest of that site, but I'm afraid it has links to things that will be extremely spoilery.) WHY DO I NOT HAVE THIS GAME ALREADY?
Time limits always freak me out. I end up rushing around doing things and crashing and burning way more than I normally would. You know that part in FFVII when Tifa is about to be executed? My Otacon purposefully misinformed me that there was actually a time limit, and if I didn't hurry she'd die. I nearly died, especially because my friend kept yelling, "HURRY! Run! Hurry faster!" Which, of course, I get now was a joke about the music, but it was horribly stressful at the time.
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Date: 2006-11-15 09:01 am (UTC)OH YES, SHOULD I TELL YOU? The saving thing came back to haunt me when I was playing through the Cradle, actually. I was all shivery and paranoid and full of dread, so I was saving every few steps – and then the Xbox began sputtering, slowing down and forgetting textures. And right as I hit the save button, it froze. So I reset. And I found out why they stick on all those warnings telling you not to reset or turn off when saving. Deadly Shadows is a great game, but playing it through again from the start without having escaped the Cradle took the shine off somewhat, and also made me want to kill things. I do not begrudge it, though. Gave me the opportunity to search for more secrets. Yeah, I was trying to find it so I could see it, but it’s definitely gone. That’s upsetting. I’ve designed a few modern!Garrett ideas, and it would have been interesting to see the legit version.
HAAAA, VOLGIN AND RAIKOV. And the torture scene, holy crap. I have a deep, deep respect for any creator who allows their protagonist to get the absolute snot beaten out of them that way. Awww, don’t begrudge poor Raiden. All the fanboys hate him so, and he really doesn’t deserve it. And don’t worry, Snake gets screentime aplenty for a supposedly Non-Player-Character, though the plot is…is…very Japanese and makes less sense the more I think about it. I like it in all its nonsensicalness. Game’s got some twists, yo. The parrot – oh, sheesh. I’m not sure if I want to tell you. It sounds pretty crazy to say that a parrot made me cry, but it did, and how. (You probably should. It’s not quite as funny as MGS3, but it’s got its moments, and the series makes more sense, also Ocelot is a bastard.)
…Apparatus? Am I to assume this is a crude euphemism?
Do you mean orb or power cell? Because if it’s the power cell, you won’t be getting it for a while. Requires a bit of exploration and platforming foofaraw up in the mountains. Hmm…Spider Cave drove me nuts because I kept falling into the dark eco. Though you find something very intriguing in there, and there’s a ‘dark cave’ area I really enjoy going through, but also spiders. Agh spiders. I can’t believe I’m Australian and I have a phobia of spiders. That’s like being French and having a phobia of…bread, I don’t know.
You may keep talking! I can’t play the game, I may as well have someone else make me want it even more. Er. (I will be sure to, as soon as I can find the time to be coherent. And you know, sleep properly.)
(I just drank some tea, and it’s apparently making me British.)
You know, I use the word fragging. It’s a gamer’s word, and a Star Wars word. Frag, frack, and frick - my all purpose exclamations. I am looking forward to the dialogue!
Nuyen? As in New Yen?
I figured! And I was weirdly interested in the notion of Hollywood=prison, because I love the way words change over time and gain different meanings. Pullayup is a funny name, and somehow makes me picture Westerns, which Lone Star isn’t helping with. But it sounds so awesome! And it’s – really reminding me of Deus Ex and System Shock, too. Especially with the class choices – in System Shock you can pick whether to be better at shooting, hacking or psi-powers, and you can also hack into terminals to wander around in cyberspace. And Deus Ex seems to have a similar open-ended kind of structure.
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Date: 2006-11-15 09:03 am (UTC)Gollum! Yeah, they’re a little like that – except, er, you might wanna refrain commenting on the ‘not as creepy’ thing until you’ve actually met them. They’re – really not nice people. Hardly anyone in the Thief world is, actually. Even the Hammers are really overzealous; they kind of represent everything bad about institutionalized religion, which is part of why Garrett is really disdainful of them. (The rest of that site frightens me a bit - the guy wrote these hugely long treatises about the structure and politics and history of the City. I’m guessing you’ll be playing the third game, so I wouldn’t worry too much about spoilers, but watch your step. And I mean it about the Cradle, it loses so much if you spoil yourself for it.)
Joke about the music? I, uh, don’t get it. I had been informed beforehand that if there isn’t a clock right there on the screen, you have all the time in the world, so that bit didn’t really bother me – although I went crazy trying to grab the key. Suffocation is another of my big phobias.
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Date: 2006-11-16 02:48 am (UTC)WHAT ARE YOU TELLING ME? I HAVE FORGOTTEN! And holy crap, what happened to your memory card? I hope it didn't wipe everything! I'm so tempted to ask you about modern!Garrett, but I probably wouldn't actually be able to say anything good about it, what with the not having played the game yet.
Volgin and Raikov just blew me away, I wasn't expecting anything quite so serious happening ever. (By serious, I mean the whole, "Volgin likes having controlling sex to assert power over people and doesn't care if they're male or female! Raikov is gay!
They fight crime!") And then they went, OH YES, HERE IS SNAKE BEING HORRIBLY TORTURED! And I went, "HOLY FREAKING CRAP," and probably flailed a lot.And yeah, I've really only heard about Raiden from fanboys. MGS2 is probably going to be one of those games where I will put it on my list of Things To Play, but will keep getting put aside for other things. Like Thief. But Ocelot is a bastard in it? I really liked him in Snake Eater, although in the original game, I was pretty neutral about him. Hmm. I AM EVEN MORE CURIOUS ABOUT THE PARROT NOW!
Yeah, it somehow turned into a crude euphemism. He just kept talking about it, and I really have no idea how it turned into that joke, but there you have it. I think I'll blame it on the fact that we'd been watching Scrubs a lot and laughing at The Todd.
Oops! Power cell. I meant power cell. I don't think I've found the dark cave area yet, but I did find this cave with FIFTY BAJILLION TINY SPIDERS AND THEIR EGGS EVERYWHERE. I just ended up making a run for it. And *ROFL*, French bread phobia. ...Mmm, french bread.
(Yay! I woke up this morning and immediately started worrying about horribly offending you and not being able to do anything about it because I was already late for school. Man, and sleeping properly, I so hear you on that.)
Fragging is a Star Wars word? It's been way too long since I've seen the original trilogy. I have this bad feeling I will start using fragging all the time now that I know it's not just Shadowrun and people won't think I'm completely crazy. I think another insult in Shadowrun is drek, which might be the equivalent of shit? And yep, new yen! The symbol for nuyen is like yen, except with two crosses instead of one in the stem of the Y.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly how Puyallup is supposed to be pronounced. Although it's apparently an actual city that's a bit south of Seattle. And Redmond is a city to the north of Seattle (both Puyallup and Redmond are part of the sprawl in Shadowrun, and it's actually conceivable it'll happen because it's set in 2058). It does look rather Western-ish, though, maybe something to do with "gallup"? ALSO, AUGH, I REALLY WANT TO PLAY DEUS EX. And System Shock, except I'm already creeped out by it, just think how bad it would be if I had to actually play it!
The, um, the poem didn't seem horribly creepy? Although it probably will once I've played the game and start hearing them read it. And I totally love it when games have everyone being bad, or at least partially bad. (Holy -- that's rather, uh, intense. Not that I'm one to talk, obsessing about Shadowrun and FFVIII and things, but I don't think I've actually written treatises on politics. I definitely want to avoid getting spoiled for the game, especially the Cradle.)
The joke is kind of lame, actually. There's a track in FFVII called "Hurry," and I'm pretty sure that the music that plays when you're trying to save Tifa is called "Hurry Faster." And man, I was just a poor gaming n00b at the time and had no idea about clocks and time limits. It was even worse without the clock, actually, because I had no idea how much time I had left to save her. AND DUDE, trying to grab the key was awful. I kept wanting to button mash, but of course that just made it worse.
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Date: 2006-11-16 02:52 am (UTC)First, you're strolling around downtown Seattle, minding your own business, doing perfectly legal courier runs, when:
You get a permit from your Lone Star contract, Sergeant Chillicutt. (Reckert would disapprove so much if he knew.)
WESTERNS! I would give you some quotes from a contact who does a lot of the same things for you but it a pretty nasty fellow, to give you an idea of the differences in character, but, um, this is already getting rather long. Eheh.
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Date: 2006-11-16 02:58 am (UTC)So, you're doing a run in one of the corporations, minding your own business, and suddenly
I had never attacked him before, I feel awful for doing it. And strangely gleeful. New information!! Hee!
And lastly, to show you that there actually is tiny bits about Joshua's character in the canon and that I have actual basis for thinking he can be a huge dork that fangirls things:
I love Mortimer Reed too -- he's a Johnson (someone who gives you runs) who is very illegal and clearly loves every minute of it. And I love Marrs, a fellow 'runner who happens to be a trigger happy troll but has the most adorable dialogue, but again with the length issue. ...okay, maybe a little Marrs.
Eheh. Man, that, um, that turned out much longer than I'd thought. I AM SORRY FOR HIJACKING THE CONVERSATION!
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Date: 2006-11-16 04:59 am (UTC)ate my comment
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NOW I HAVE TO TYPE IT ALL OUT AGAIN ARGH.
I rather like it! It just gets thinner and thinner. Soon it'll be so thin it'll snap and fall over. Also, you would hee at Silent Hill if you were deeply sadistic and enjoyed other's suffering! Which I am not. I am in fact heeing at the Cradle, which I probably shouldn't, because it would prove me deeply sadistic and that I enjoy other's suffering. Also, it may come for me and remember me and - I am so doomed.
I AM NOT TELLING YOU THINGS, I AM MERELY BEING UNCLEAR. I was talking about the save game story. Anyway, it fortunately did not eat all my save games, it just ate my Deadly Shadows one, and caused my to go white-faced and twitchy until I went outside and swore for a while. My modern!Garrett wore up-to-date clothes and had a new bow/crossbow (depending on what I felt like drawing at the time). He was born out of me quietly speculating whether, if he was abruptly teleported to our world/time, he would do quite well at burglaring modern houses or fail completely from security systems. The official sketch I haven't seen (the storage space died), but from the comments on it, yes, hoodie, and also a gun, which I'm not sure about. I bet he would totally use a tranq gun, though.
Man. Volgin and Raikov. Man. Kojima. I should probably stop telling you that you're brilliant, but you're brilliant. I spent a fair amount of time just laughing at how insane it all was. Then I went 'awww'. Then I said, "WHY AM I SAYING AWW. HE IS A HORRIBLE EVIL MAN AND HE HAS NO PERSONALITY. WHUT. WHUT." Have you tried wearing the Raikov mask during the first Volgin boss fight? And yes, Ocelot is a huge bastard with no redeeming qualities and betrays everyone in the world ever and saddens me with what he became. Also, the parrot makes the saddest scene in the whole game even sadder, and here's how: "Hal, I miss you. Hal, I miss you."
NOW TO TALK ABOUT EUPHEMISMS. By which I of course mean The Todd. Ah, The Todd. I love that that's his name and that he's such a completely shallow character and that he makes me laugh like an idiot anyway. Scrubs is awesomeness.
HAH HAH THE TINY SPIDERS also that bit has something to do with the exploration foofaraw. I'll let you figure out what.
It is not an original trilogy word! It is, however, in a glorious EU novel called Shatterpoint, which is all about Mace Windu and how badass he is. Yes, really. There is a character who swears an awful lot, and one of his most common words is "Frag!" or "Fragging (anything)!" Also, in gamerspeak, to 'frag' someone is to kill them in a game, while the number of 'frags' you have is your score. I love made up swearwords. Drek, frag, prak, taff, frell...
I wonder why it's nuyen and not nudol or something similar?
DEUS EX WON TONS OF AWARDS AND IS SOMETIMES FUNNY AND HAS A MILLION WAYS TO DO THINGS. Also I'm very sorry I misspelt Puyallup, I think I was sleepy and forgot to check it. In my head it kind of sounds like, 'puh-yawl-up', though of course I have no idea if that's right. Would you believe I know next to nothing about Seattle?
The poem isn't canon, though it is very much how they talk...I'll see if I can find a real Pagan poem. Let's see...Aha! "Builds your roofs of dead wood. Builds your walls of dead stone. Builds your dreams of dead thoughts. Comes crying laughing singing back to life, takes what you steal, and pulls the skins from your dead bones shrieking." The game has quotes and stuff like that before every mission, or during the loading times. I think that one refers to the god they worship, but I don't know.
Ah, button mashing, crutch of the fighter-game n00b. That would include me, incidentally.
...I think I like Marrs, too. He's a giant trigger-happy idiot and I like him. And, awww, Joshua's fanboying the helicoptor to an exent that somewhat scares me! I love how unnecessary the 'sleek' bit is. He just seems to think it's that good. Awww. Heee, 'chummer'. ...Why a toothpick? It's not very manly, I just...toothpick? Also, Westerns!
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Date: 2006-11-17 01:19 am (UTC)It is a bit worrying (and hilarious!) that you talked about the comments snapping and falling over right before you mentioned how you are not deeply sadistic and enjoy other's suffering. And I can't tell if I'm actually looking forward to getting to the Cradle or if I am just extremely worried that I will end up throwing my monitor out the window to protect myself.
I think I accidentally saved over one of my FFVII saves, one of the ones where I was right at the end and had gotten a golden chocobo and tons of ultimate limit breaks and everything, and then POOF. Back to the wheelchair for Cloud! Somehow, I remember it being Cait Sith's fault, but I have no idea how. Did you decide whether modern!Garrett would be good at burglaring modern houses? And not knowing anything at all about the character, I can see how a hoodie makes sense, but a gun's usually pretty loud. And not so much about the sneaking and more about the killing. (Although I have currently developed a fondness for guns, mostly all because of Shadowrun. A little bit because of MGS3, though. Customized M1911A1's, mmmm.)
Hee! I spent way too much time awwing too and then going, wait, wait, Volgin is evil. Awwww! ...dammit! I think I tried that; I know I wore it at one point when talking to him anyway. Man, I really want to play MGS3 again, I'm forgetting a lot of the plot and I know there were a lot of things I wanted to try. Also, I -- Hal Emmerich? Otacon? Curse my lack of MGS-related knowledge!
Oh man, much love for The Todd. No high fives, though, I value my hands too much for that. I love his puppy-dog eyes, too, whenever he doesn't get a high five. Although, really, I love just about everyone in Scrubs. (I have only seen the first three seasons, though, so that's subject to change.)
I love that, just "Frag!" I can hear it surprisingly well. And yeah, I'd heard about fragging = killing people in video games, although I'd never heard frags = your score. It makes me really curious which came first, fragging in Shadowrun (I'm pretty sure it's been a paper RPG for quite awhile) or fragging in video games. Hmm, according to our good friend Wikipedia, "It is also believed to be an abbreviation of "fragmentation" in reference to the "gibbing" of players (blowing a player into blood-smeared smithereens of nothingness) killed by explosions." I'd guess that's how it's used in Shadowrun, considering you can call people frag-faces and there are also frag grenades.
Holy crap. Also from Wiki: "Frag is a term from the Vietnam War, most commonly meaning to assassinate an unpopular member of one's own fighting unit by dropping a fragmentation grenade into the victim's tent at night. A hand grenade was used because it would not leave any fingerprints, and because a ballistics test could not be done (as it could to match a bullet with a firearm)." I had no idea!
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Date: 2006-11-17 01:22 am (UTC)It took me forever to be confident that I was spelling Puyallup correctly; I kept having to look it up for, like, the first few months. I don't actually know much about Seattle either, although I've become kind of hypersensitive to anything mentioning it, so I pick stuff up. Also, I, uh, I may have done a few searches about Shadowrun related stuff on the Internet and then flailed a lot when I realized that it had a lot of basis on real life.
IT IS NOW MY TURN TO BE UNCLEAR! I actually meant that after hearing Pagans in the game, I would end up hearing the poem as if they were reading it, not actually reading it in the game. I -- THAT POEM IS EXTREMELY CREEPY. "Builds your dreams of dead thoughts," brrrr. IT IS GOOD THEY HAVE SUCH A HEALTHY RELIGION.
Hee! I'm glad you got the basic gist of the Shadowrun quotes, I mean, I realize they're probably a bit less impressive without any context. And Joshua's fanboying! And I love that he feels it necessary to think, "Calmly, so as not to attract attention," as if it's a huge effort to remain calm in the face of such sleekness. I am ridiculously fond of the word chummer, too, and always have to remind myself not to use it. (Also, I found a picture of Marrs, if you're curious. I couldn't find one for Toothpick Man.) I have no idea why a toothpick; it was probably the only thing around for him to flick at you. I also picture he's really bored working for his company and gets entertainment anyway he can, like by flicking things at people and hoping they get pissed off. I just love how random he is.
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Date: 2006-11-18 10:36 am (UTC)…I'm really not! Honest! I just had that mental image and thought it was kind of funny! I'm not assigned sentience to the comment or anything, I just like random destruction…!Um. Oh, as if throwing your monitor out the window will protect you from the Cradle. It will in about the same way that moving away from Silent Hill means you escape it. The Cradle has powers, man. Powers. The guy who designed it really likes Silent Hill, actually, and it shows. …And now I'm going to start heeing at your terror again; excuse me. Hee. Heeeeee.
Holy crap. That must have filled you with rage on the scale of Old Testament God. I once accidentally saved over my nearly complete FF7 game, although I didn't have all the limit breaks or a golden chocobo – how much effort do those guys require to get? Like, a lot? (Aww, poor Cait Sith. Everybody hates him and then that had to happen.) I think I decided…well, he's very resourceful, but police these days are harder to bribe and usually not drunk on the job or likely to give up looking for him because he run around a corner. I think, if he was in this day and age, he'd be astonished by the sheer amount of light everywhere. And you stand out more against white walls than stone, which would be a problem. – I am so not getting plotbunnies from this, dammit, brain. You've already got Saltrust languishing unfinished. (Hoodie=hood. Which he wears more or less all the time and is the reason why you never see his face in the first two games.) Guns can be silenced! And yeah, I get the feeling he disapproves of just going in killing everybody. It's messy. Unprofessional. And, yes, often noisy. Which is not to say he's a pacifist by any means. (Don't you just love how Snake never shuts up about that one gun and just goes on and on and on while EVA obviously couldn't care less?)
When I play MGS3, I keep meaning to try all these neat things and then I get caught up in the plot. Like running forward to get into that first cut-scene with the Boss after she defects when I meant to hang around trying to catch things. Damn you Kojima. Yes, Otacon. That Hal. The parrot belongs to Emma, his long estranged step-sister. I'm getting a little depressed just thinking about it. It's horrible and beautiful for all that it involves a parrot and some slightly hammy sobbing on the part of the voice actor.
I've seen the fourth season! It remains brilliant, in my opinion, and includes Cox and Kelso teaming up to destroy someone's faith in humanity. (I cannot understand why I continue to love the entire cast of Scrubs in spite of the fact that a fair few of them are horrible people.)
I adore that character. He's a violent and smart-assed dork. The whole novel is very dark and awesome and scary and apparently Apocalypse Now with Jedi. (Also it continues the ongoing theme of Mace's obsession with parties.) I asked my brother about fragging and he says the first 'official' use was in Doom, but I've never heard of the Vietnam thing (although it sounds fairly horrible – imagine being the victim. Not only would you be torn to shreds, you'd have the knowledge that nobody liked you). Interesting. My Dad's a veteran, so maybe I'll ask him about it. 'Frag grenades' I know is very common, right up to being included in a whole bunch of games, books and movies, and 'gibbing' I've also heard before. Perhaps I will make my living off researching obscure gamer slang.
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Date: 2006-11-18 10:36 am (UTC)ISN'T IT THOUGH? Ah, the Pagans. They're a bit less creepy in the third game because of the events in the first and second, but they're still a whole whack of crazy, and very fond of human sacrifice. Also, heh, heh heh, healthy religion. Thief. Heh heh heh. To balance out the crazy Pagans, have a weirdo Hammer verse. "Before death came, the liars were made to feast upon the hands of the thieves, and the thieves were made to ingest the tongues of their liar brothers, and we praised the Master Builder for his judgments." The two deities are the Trickster and the Builder. One represents chaos, animals, er….hedonism, and generally living free of technology; the other represents order, machines, piety and striving for precision and correctness in one's works. And both factions of their worshippers are nuts in their own special ways. (I'm pretty sure they both really exist, too, or at least the Trickster does.)
Hee hee, Toothpick Man! I am going to be amused by him now. And if I ever get to play that game, I will be amused by your suggested backstory for him. Hee. Toothpick. Hee.
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